Post by Mod Blackbolt on Jan 20, 2012 23:47:36 GMT -5
Part 1 - Regarding some comments made by people not just on here but
else ware i will bring to light several binding statements in Sopa and Pipa that would legally bind sites like Youtube and Google but not the piracy sites the bill intends to dismantle.
"If passed, SOPA and/or PIPA will give the Justice Department the ability to shut down almost any blog or website at will, PLUS it will also do absolutely nothing to stop those that pirate movies or music." - Forbes.
This means that if a Youtube user uploads a music video of *thinks of popular artist* Kid Cudi or someone uploads a movie of Bleach not just the person but Youtube would be charged as well as Youtube shut down. The reason why Pirated music and movies would not be stopped is because they could easily make a new website and get several thousand songs etc out before they are shut down again, although the U.S. government gets the info of the people who downloaded it they can almost do nothing to over sea downloaders of pirated music/movies and what if several million Americans download the pirated songs/movies i doubt the government would take legal action against all of them as their prisons are crowded enough already. (Also a fine would be little price to pay for rebellious teens who hate the law there government has imposed, or certain movies, songs or albums are not available where they are)
Shutting down a site is not as easy as it seems as stated here
"I agree that piracy is a serious problem and between 2001 and 2004 when I testified before Congress, we discussed many solutions, none of which violate our First Amendment Right to Free Speech. I have also worked as an executive at a major studio so I do understand their issues as well however, passage of SOPA or PIPA will essentially allow the Government to shut down the DNS (Domain Name Server) that directed a URL such as www.google.com or www.piratebay.org to the physical address of the server its IP address such as (254.196.2.x). Domain names are simply a fancy and more informative way for you to find a website since the data for a website resides on a server somewhere and that server has a digital address identified by something called an IP or (internet Protocol) address. The Bills target the DNS servers that direct users from the URL name to the IP address. For most users, shutting down an infringing DNS address would prevent them from reaching the website that contained the infringing content or the link to the infringing content. It would NOT however stop the pirate from typing in IP address of (256.196.2.x) as an example, to reach the same content." - Forbes
Read full article here - (realize if i was in the U.S i could be charged for providing this link..... kidding, i hope....) www.forbes.com/sites/derekbroes/2012/01/20/why-should-you-fear-sopa-and-pipa/
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This outrage has even got Anonymous involved, and they are a force to be re-coned with. (This is the first time i have supported them as i did not agree with them at the Occupy Toronto movement where they threatened to hack the city sites).
"Popular file-sharing sites, Megaupload and Megavideo, were shut down by federal prosecutors on Thursday and hackers from Anonymous retaliated by launching an attack on federal and public Web sites: The online battle over Internet piracy just got personal." - Fox
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Megaupload and Megavideo, content-sharing Web sites that receive more than 50 million hits per day, got taken down by the Department of Justice on Thursday after an indictment claimed the sites have committed copyright infringement.
The crackdown comes just one day after a mass online protest against two bills, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA) currently being pushed forward and debated by Congress.
While the bills are being presented in an aim to stop music and video piracy, internet giants such as Google and Facebook are complaining that the legislation being proposed will lead to internet censorship.
Four company executives, including Megaupload's founder Kim Schmitz, were arrested after the indictment was delivered by the Department of Justice. The individuals have been accused of having involvement with copyright infringement and a conspiracy to commit money laundering, according to Wired.com." - Fox
This might be a warm up to Pipa and Sopa or just a coincidence but this is a strange time for this to pop of coincidence or not no?
This is even more damning evidence
"You think it's a coincidence that the feds shutdown megavideo a day after the Websites blackout protesting the bills?" said freelance Web producer James Buran. "It's a war: Anonymos-1 Feds-1, let's see who makes the next move." - Fox
And this is the response that people will get upon going to megaupload
"This domain name associated with the website Megaupload.com has been seized pursuant to an order issued by a U.S. District Court. A federal grand jury has indicted several individuals and entities allegedly involved in the operation of Megaupload.com and related Websites charging them with the following federal crimes: Conspiracy to commit racketeering, conspiracy to commit copyright infringement, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and criminal copyright infringement." - Fox
"The government takes down Megaupload? 15 minutes later Anonymous takes down government & record label sites," a hacker from Anonymous tweeted." Fox again
Link to Fox article - www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2012/01/20/anonymous-retaliates-over-megaupload-megavideo-shutdown-sopa-and-pipa-links/ - Fox can and has been easily swayed in the past, i am sure there mind will be changed time and time again in this battle.
Now lets go into some more shall i say biased views.....
"Imagine if the U.K. created a blacklist of American newspapers that its courts found violated celebrities' privacy? Or what if France blocked American sites it believed contained hate speech?" - Jerry Brito, Wikipedia
"Journalist Rebecca MacKinnon argued in an op-ed that making companies liable for users' actions could have a chilling effect on user-generated sites such as YouTube. "The intention is not the same as China’s Great Firewall, a nationwide system of Web censorship, but the practical effect could be similar," she says" - Wikipedia
Additional concerns include the impact on common Internet functions such as links from one site to another or accessing data from the cloud.
"Perhaps the most dangerous aspect of the bill is that the conduct it would criminalize is so poorly defined. While on its face the bill seems to attempt to distinguish between commercial and non-commercial conduct, purportedly criminalizing the former and permitting the latter, in actuality the bill not only fails to accomplish this but, because of its lack of concrete definitions, it potentially criminalizes conduct that is currently permitted under the law." - Lateef Mtima, director of the Institute for Intellectual Property and Social Justice at Howard University School of Law
Overall this bill could affect sites like Google, Twitter, Youtube, and even Proboard, the link of which i stated above could in fact be used to shut this very site in which i am conveying this message down.
Hopefully i have swayed those who had previously supported this preposterous law and if you want more check the links.
else ware i will bring to light several binding statements in Sopa and Pipa that would legally bind sites like Youtube and Google but not the piracy sites the bill intends to dismantle.
"If passed, SOPA and/or PIPA will give the Justice Department the ability to shut down almost any blog or website at will, PLUS it will also do absolutely nothing to stop those that pirate movies or music." - Forbes.
This means that if a Youtube user uploads a music video of *thinks of popular artist* Kid Cudi or someone uploads a movie of Bleach not just the person but Youtube would be charged as well as Youtube shut down. The reason why Pirated music and movies would not be stopped is because they could easily make a new website and get several thousand songs etc out before they are shut down again, although the U.S. government gets the info of the people who downloaded it they can almost do nothing to over sea downloaders of pirated music/movies and what if several million Americans download the pirated songs/movies i doubt the government would take legal action against all of them as their prisons are crowded enough already. (Also a fine would be little price to pay for rebellious teens who hate the law there government has imposed, or certain movies, songs or albums are not available where they are)
Shutting down a site is not as easy as it seems as stated here
"I agree that piracy is a serious problem and between 2001 and 2004 when I testified before Congress, we discussed many solutions, none of which violate our First Amendment Right to Free Speech. I have also worked as an executive at a major studio so I do understand their issues as well however, passage of SOPA or PIPA will essentially allow the Government to shut down the DNS (Domain Name Server) that directed a URL such as www.google.com or www.piratebay.org to the physical address of the server its IP address such as (254.196.2.x). Domain names are simply a fancy and more informative way for you to find a website since the data for a website resides on a server somewhere and that server has a digital address identified by something called an IP or (internet Protocol) address. The Bills target the DNS servers that direct users from the URL name to the IP address. For most users, shutting down an infringing DNS address would prevent them from reaching the website that contained the infringing content or the link to the infringing content. It would NOT however stop the pirate from typing in IP address of (256.196.2.x) as an example, to reach the same content." - Forbes
Read full article here - (realize if i was in the U.S i could be charged for providing this link..... kidding, i hope....) www.forbes.com/sites/derekbroes/2012/01/20/why-should-you-fear-sopa-and-pipa/
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This outrage has even got Anonymous involved, and they are a force to be re-coned with. (This is the first time i have supported them as i did not agree with them at the Occupy Toronto movement where they threatened to hack the city sites).
"Popular file-sharing sites, Megaupload and Megavideo, were shut down by federal prosecutors on Thursday and hackers from Anonymous retaliated by launching an attack on federal and public Web sites: The online battle over Internet piracy just got personal." - Fox
"
Megaupload and Megavideo, content-sharing Web sites that receive more than 50 million hits per day, got taken down by the Department of Justice on Thursday after an indictment claimed the sites have committed copyright infringement.
The crackdown comes just one day after a mass online protest against two bills, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA) currently being pushed forward and debated by Congress.
While the bills are being presented in an aim to stop music and video piracy, internet giants such as Google and Facebook are complaining that the legislation being proposed will lead to internet censorship.
Four company executives, including Megaupload's founder Kim Schmitz, were arrested after the indictment was delivered by the Department of Justice. The individuals have been accused of having involvement with copyright infringement and a conspiracy to commit money laundering, according to Wired.com." - Fox
This might be a warm up to Pipa and Sopa or just a coincidence but this is a strange time for this to pop of coincidence or not no?
This is even more damning evidence
"You think it's a coincidence that the feds shutdown megavideo a day after the Websites blackout protesting the bills?" said freelance Web producer James Buran. "It's a war: Anonymos-1 Feds-1, let's see who makes the next move." - Fox
And this is the response that people will get upon going to megaupload
"This domain name associated with the website Megaupload.com has been seized pursuant to an order issued by a U.S. District Court. A federal grand jury has indicted several individuals and entities allegedly involved in the operation of Megaupload.com and related Websites charging them with the following federal crimes: Conspiracy to commit racketeering, conspiracy to commit copyright infringement, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and criminal copyright infringement." - Fox
"The government takes down Megaupload? 15 minutes later Anonymous takes down government & record label sites," a hacker from Anonymous tweeted." Fox again
Link to Fox article - www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2012/01/20/anonymous-retaliates-over-megaupload-megavideo-shutdown-sopa-and-pipa-links/ - Fox can and has been easily swayed in the past, i am sure there mind will be changed time and time again in this battle.
Now lets go into some more shall i say biased views.....
"Imagine if the U.K. created a blacklist of American newspapers that its courts found violated celebrities' privacy? Or what if France blocked American sites it believed contained hate speech?" - Jerry Brito, Wikipedia
"Journalist Rebecca MacKinnon argued in an op-ed that making companies liable for users' actions could have a chilling effect on user-generated sites such as YouTube. "The intention is not the same as China’s Great Firewall, a nationwide system of Web censorship, but the practical effect could be similar," she says" - Wikipedia
Additional concerns include the impact on common Internet functions such as links from one site to another or accessing data from the cloud.
"Perhaps the most dangerous aspect of the bill is that the conduct it would criminalize is so poorly defined. While on its face the bill seems to attempt to distinguish between commercial and non-commercial conduct, purportedly criminalizing the former and permitting the latter, in actuality the bill not only fails to accomplish this but, because of its lack of concrete definitions, it potentially criminalizes conduct that is currently permitted under the law." - Lateef Mtima, director of the Institute for Intellectual Property and Social Justice at Howard University School of Law
Overall this bill could affect sites like Google, Twitter, Youtube, and even Proboard, the link of which i stated above could in fact be used to shut this very site in which i am conveying this message down.
Hopefully i have swayed those who had previously supported this preposterous law and if you want more check the links.
