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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 7, 2013 19:54:24 GMT -5
This is a thread to talk about shiny pokemon and my tips on getting them. Shiny pokemon are extremely easy to obtain in pokemon Crystal first off. Using the Mimic Ditto Glitch (Which I will discus at a later time) You can easily get a shiny ditto. Using this shiny ditto, any pokemon that can breed with a ditto will have a 1 in 64 chance of hatching a shiny. This by no means will give a shiny after hatching 64 eggs. The percent chance is a 1.83457236% chance. BUT this is a whole better then the standard 1/8742 chance or less then .01%. Today I hatched a shiny pokemon in crystal after 138 eggs. It took me a few hours but I finally did it. Also, in the second generation Shiny Pokemon will ALWAYS have higher stats then normal non shiny pokemon. This is due to what MAKES a pokemon shiny, the hidden values known as DVs (Determinate Values) Or what are know known as IVs (Individual Values) "If a Pokémon's Speed, Defense, and Special DVs are 10, and its Attack DV is 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14 or 15, it will be Shiny." (Quote from Bulbapedia) Here's a video of me showing of my shiny Nidoran Male (Was actually going for a female but oh well )
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 7, 2013 20:43:04 GMT -5
So you got a shiny by cheating? Tch. I thought you were better than that, Pip.
I've got five shiny pokemon. A shiny Snorlax, Ninetales (formerly Vulpix), Sudowoodo, Joleteon, and the Red Garydos that comes automatic in the game (SoulSilver/Silver). None by cheating.
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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 8, 2013 14:44:50 GMT -5
So you got a shiny by cheating? Tch. I thought you were better than that, Pip. I've got five shiny pokemon. A shiny Snorlax, Ninetales (formerly Vulpix), Sudowoodo, Joleteon, and the Red Garydos that comes automatic in the game (SoulSilver/Silver). None by cheating. Its only cheating if your using an outside device that modifies the games code. Using nothing but the "flaws" and loop wholes in the games code is not cheating rather exploiting a glitch.
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 8, 2013 16:33:05 GMT -5
So you got a shiny by cheating? Tch. I thought you were better than that, Pip. I've got five shiny pokemon. A shiny Snorlax, Ninetales (formerly Vulpix), Sudowoodo, Joleteon, and the Red Garydos that comes automatic in the game (SoulSilver/Silver). None by cheating. Its only cheating if your using an outside device that modifies the games code. Using nothing but the "flaws" and loop wholes in the games code is not cheating rather exploiting a glitch. Not really. Cheating means to win/get by unfair means. That's like saying using the clone glitch to get 20 Lugias isn't cheating, because technically it's "just a glitch." But it IS cheating, because your using a flaw in the game system to your advantage to get things you wouldn't normally be able to get if you played the game the way it's suppose to be. You got a prize that is very valuable and should be normally very hard to get, but you cheated and got an easier version.
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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 8, 2013 20:54:21 GMT -5
Its only cheating if your using an outside device that modifies the games code. Using nothing but the "flaws" and loop wholes in the games code is not cheating rather exploiting a glitch. Not really. Cheating means to win/get by unfair means. That's like saying using the clone glitch to get 20 Lugias isn't cheating, because technically it's "just a glitch." But it IS cheating, because your using a flaw in the game system to your advantage to get things you wouldn't normally be able to get if you played the game the way it's suppose to be. You got a prize that is very valuable and should be normally very hard to get, but you cheated and got an easier version. Clone Glitch is some what useful to back up pokemon on gen 1 or 2 as internal batteries die and you don't want to lose your pokemon. Though there are many other ways to keep them safe such as the Pokemon stadium 2 N64 PC. Also Lugia isn't that good of a legendary stat wise and its still easy to get if you have a lot of time on your hands. A good run on pokemon silver and you can beat the game in a day in one sitting in around 4 to 10 hours. I suppose doing the Mew glitch to get mew in pokemon Red,Green,Blue,Yellow is also considered cheating then?
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 9, 2013 12:36:52 GMT -5
Not really. Cheating means to win/get by unfair means. That's like saying using the clone glitch to get 20 Lugias isn't cheating, because technically it's "just a glitch." But it IS cheating, because your using a flaw in the game system to your advantage to get things you wouldn't normally be able to get if you played the game the way it's suppose to be. You got a prize that is very valuable and should be normally very hard to get, but you cheated and got an easier version. Clone Glitch is some what useful to back up pokemon on gen 1 or 2 as internal batteries die and you don't want to lose your pokemon. Though there are many other ways to keep them safe such as the Pokemon stadium 2 N64 PC. Also Lugia isn't that good of a legendary stat wise and its still easy to get if you have a lot of time on your hands. A good run on pokemon silver and you can beat the game in a day in one sitting in around 4 to 10 hours. I suppose doing the Mew glitch to get mew in pokemon Red,Green,Blue,Yellow is also considered cheating then? You're completely missing my point. I know Lugia isn't that great a legendary but it was the first to pop into my head. Using the cloning glitch to get a back-up save for your pokemon is one thing. But I'm talking about using it to get multiple duplicates of really great pokemon. YES, that is CHEATING. Because you're using loop holes and glitches to obtain a prize you shouldn't have if you didn't cheat.
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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 9, 2013 15:14:50 GMT -5
Clone Glitch is some what useful to back up pokemon on gen 1 or 2 as internal batteries die and you don't want to lose your pokemon. Though there are many other ways to keep them safe such as the Pokemon stadium 2 N64 PC. Also Lugia isn't that good of a legendary stat wise and its still easy to get if you have a lot of time on your hands. A good run on pokemon silver and you can beat the game in a day in one sitting in around 4 to 10 hours. I suppose doing the Mew glitch to get mew in pokemon Red,Green,Blue,Yellow is also considered cheating then? You're completely missing my point. I know Lugia isn't that great a legendary but it was the first to pop into my head. Using the cloning glitch to get a back-up save for your pokemon is one thing. But I'm talking about using it to get multiple duplicates of really great pokemon. YES, that is CHEATING. Because you're using loop holes and glitches to obtain a prize you shouldn't have if you didn't cheat. I honestly don't see a good point in doing the clone glitch other then backing up pokemon to be honest. And I also don't see doing the mew glitch in the original games as cheating as there is no other way to catch it to begin with. Sure back in the day when the games were new and it was given away at local places around stores I'd consider it then to be cheating. But now as there is no other way to catch mew in the older games then doing the glitch, It makes it impossible to catch them all and complete the pokedex. If there is an exploit in a game due to the developers bad programing then I say its fair gain. Now would I use a glitch to win my way through on the first play through of a game? No, I'd try it out for the heck of it or do it in a second play through of the game were I just more or less mess around. As for the shiny glitch again its just a glitch to mess around with and have a shiny ditto to aid me in getting shiny pokemon at a more fair pace. If using things to aid and help you achieve a goal is considered cheating, is the poke radar not a cheat tool? You could argue that "Well it was intentionally put in by programers to help you out" But its still something put into the game. If it was meant to be or not. The ditto glitch in seance isn't really even a glitch, The game has ditto copy your stats on purpose after using transform twice. What wasn't intended at the time though were shiny pokemon. Its more or less a time paradox in a way.
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 9, 2013 16:13:19 GMT -5
//facdesk// do you even get what I'm saying at all or is it going right over your head?
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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 9, 2013 16:21:33 GMT -5
//facdesk// do you even get what I'm saying at all or is it going right over your head? I could say the same thing back.
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Post by Mod Blackbolt on Apr 9, 2013 17:02:02 GMT -5
pretty heated discussion. Though i would likely not attempt anything talked about here (do not know how to complete the process even if i wanted to) i think that as long as the method of cloning the pokemon is open to everyone (with very limited knowledge) it can hardly be considered unfair. From what i understand anyone can exploit the glitch which in my eyes atleast makes it ok to use it. (Pip had a good example as to how i view the glitch when he talked about getting mew (I have gotten mew in my old version of red, however to this day i do not know how to perform it as i had my cousin do it (Note: I was fairly young at the time) ) Cheat codes such as Gameshark are completely unacceptable however.
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 9, 2013 17:27:46 GMT -5
But my main point isn't about cloning. That was just an example I used. Using unfair means to get a shiny pokemon....I just find it very unacceptable.
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Post by Mod Blackbolt on Apr 9, 2013 17:31:04 GMT -5
Ok, personally i like the fact Shinies are so highly regarded (Or once where), indeed the fact people are able to obtain them so easily devalues them and i suppose something i would discourage.
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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 9, 2013 18:09:08 GMT -5
My views on Shiny pokemon here are, that there really only worth having to show off in the newer games as they don't have higher stats like they do on the older ones. If something can be done in game by anyone without the use of an external device such as a gameshark or action replay, its fair game to me and not cheating in anyway. Even with the shiny ditto, hatching a shiny still takes a lot of work to get one, just not as much. I enter tournaments at a local game store for pokemon GSC that take place on Pokemon Stadium 2 and using the Shiny Ditto glitch is by no means considered hacking the shiny pokemon in so long proof that it was obtained fairly is provided. Proof such as the video that was uploaded counts.
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 10, 2013 19:24:48 GMT -5
I guess that's true that it's still difficult. But it still does make it easier.
But let's change the subject. What game do you have, Pip?
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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 10, 2013 19:42:06 GMT -5
What do mean by "What game?"
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 10, 2013 20:11:00 GMT -5
Silver, Ruby, Black, White, etc?
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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 10, 2013 20:11:35 GMT -5
all of the US pokemon I own
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 10, 2013 20:14:22 GMT -5
So you have Silver/SoulSilver?
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Post by piplup10036 on Apr 11, 2013 14:30:59 GMT -5
Both.
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Post by Shadowstalker on Apr 11, 2013 15:32:33 GMT -5
The only ones I've ever played were Red, Silver, SoulSilver and HeartGold (my sister had Gold)
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